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Formula 1 - 2012 - The Official Discussion Thread

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Re: Formula 1 - 2012 - The Official Discussion Thread

Post  RackAttack on Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:16 am

Dan_Zitions wrote:They don't want to end up like INDY Car with one chassis and one engine.

I just skimmed your post, but I noticed this. This year IndyCar has three engine suppliers: Honda, Chevrolet, and Lotus.
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Post  Dan_Zitions on Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:17 pm

Just goes to show how much I paid attention after the last year plus... It was neck and neck between that and NASCAN'T on the "what else is on to watch" list.

Now that I know it's not just more IROC in a different car, I may have to go pay some attention, Thanks for the heads up... I caught a bit of a race a bit ago, didn't even notice the engines. I did notice the new bodies. I'm still not really accepting the new body yet, kind of on the fence. It's kinda neat, but it's dang funky with the wheel covers on the rear. Maybe if they can get a few different variants in there. It's got some style and some potential at least. At least the safety factor is better with it. I wonder if there's enough there to really stop a car from launching or not, those back ends looked sorta flimsy from what I saw.

I have to say though, with the Stanly Cup Playoffs starting in a bit, racing will be taking a back seat, at least till the Rangers are ousted. Hockey in playoff time is better than the MLB, NBA and NFL combined for me. Racing is about all that comes close. Guess that means I'm not "proto-typical"...?

Can't tell you how many times I watched any of the Prototype/Lemans/Sports cars or what have you on Speed over Nascar and Indy car last year. Even the NHRA is getting too cookie cutter for me.

Artistic expression, grace, style... All of it just about gone now. It may be too mushy or sentimental, but I'm kinda glad I'll be gone before everything looks the same... or at least hope so.

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Post  HWKII on Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:35 pm

All that matters is that you're a Rangers fan. Cool

Also, to clarify: I want to see more cars on the grid, I want to see BMW, and Audi and Peugot (Since Renault isn't really a thing anymore, some frenchies need to be on the grid...) and hell, Ford or Toyota or Honda come back to the sport. I want to see Formula 1 return to something that auto-manufacturers believe is a practical investment, one that makes sense in the current climate.

What I don't want to see is THESE cars on the grid: Marussia and HRT are adding nothing to the sport, they are just crying about how hard the sport is to stay competitive. HRT is in a worse position this year than they were when they joined the sport 3 years ago.

If you're not contributing to the sport in anyway (Lotus managed to develop a peice of technology that no one else had thought of, the ride height stabilizer that functions under braking) and after 3 years you're barely managing to make the 107% cut and only because you're using tires that by all accounts should give you 0.750 seconds of free pace..

If all you want to be is a slowly moving billboard that gets seen on Race day, might I suggest purchasing one of the many sponsored placards that appear on every solid surface around a race track. lol!

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Re: Formula 1 - 2012 - The Official Discussion Thread

Post  Dan_Zitions on Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:43 pm

I can understand that about the HRT's of the F1 world, but having them stick around is one of those things that could help those other car manufacturers get in on the cheap. If HRT keeps going as it is, they'll end up defunct anyway. With any luck someone comes along and buys them out. Even as a bad team, the foot in the door is a draw. Having them on the sidelines decreases the exposure, having them on the track... Kind of keeps them on the track as the rolling billboard they amount to.

It doesn't make too much sense race wise, but makes a little business wise.

Off on a tangent, happened to turn on the TV today and the Atlanta Indy car race was on. One of the better road races I've seen in awhile. The body work worked really well to let the cars get in close, make some nice moves. I feel for Lotus already... lol...


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Post  HWKII on Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:39 pm

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-rubens-barrichello-tells-felipe-massa-to-remember-joy/

Ruuuuuubens. What a Face

Barrichello also laughed at the results of a recent fans' poll in the Italian media that showed he would be a highly popular choice as Massa's replacement.

"It was very unexpected," he said. "Maybe it was a way (for journalists) to see if Italians would pick an Italian driver, and suddenly I win.

"It is a very public business and shows that I must have left something behind," added the winner of 11 Grands Prix.

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Post  Dan_Zitions on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:11 pm

IIRC he did OK in the Indy car race I saw.

Sounded better hearing his name there than at a Nas-Truck race awhile back... Razz


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Post  HWKII on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:17 pm

Dan_Zitions wrote:IIRC he did OK in the Indy car race I saw.

Sounded better hearing his name there than at a Nas-Truck race awhile back... Razz


I love you Rubens Barichello, based entirely as he seems like one of the few F1 drivers who it would actually be fun to hang out with. I respect the hell out of a lot of those guys, but I actually like Rubens.

It's a shame he's not in his 20th season in F1. Him coming back to Ferrari will never happen, but he'd be better in that Williams than Pastor Maldanado, without question.

Plus: Bruno Senna + Rubens Barichello is just too good a story.

Man's still got pace.

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Re: Formula 1 - 2012 - The Official Discussion Thread

Post  Dan_Zitions on Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:01 am

Finally got to see the China race... Did NOT disappoint.

A long over due win, more passes than I can remember and a fight for the top 10 all the way through. Great race for F1 all the way around.

I used to yawn at F1 after the Senna days. Rare was the day you saw anything noteworthy unless it rained. A few years back they started to mix it up a little, and now they have a great mix of different and same that's led to a very promising start to what could be a very entertaining season.

I was NASCAR born and raised from the days of Petty, Pearson, Yarborough, Allison and the like.

So far this year...: Haven't made it through a single NASCANT race. Watched all the F1 races, 2 Indy car and a couple Aussie V8 Super Car races. Even got a little Rolex and Lemans in.

Never thought I'd say it, but sorry NASCANT, but you just don't interest me at all anymore. Sleep

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Post  Forgetful on Sun May 27, 2012 2:00 pm

Dat clock fight. That was a racer's race. Coulthard put it best at the end when he said that those 6 world class drivers drove flawless races.

Sure there wasn't a lot of passing, but there was plenty of tension.

As a fan of Michael's I feel bad for him.

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Post  HWKII on Sun May 27, 2012 10:07 pm

Forgetful wrote:Dat clock fight. That was a racer's race. Coulthard put it best at the end when he said that those 6 world class drivers drove flawless races.

Sure there wasn't a lot of passing, but there was plenty of tension.

As a fan of Michael's I feel bad for him.

I am on the edge of my seat waiting for this one to download. I know how it finishes, looked it up as soon as I recovered from the hang over after last night. Can't wait to sit down and watch!

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Post  HWKII on Tue May 29, 2012 4:11 pm

2012 Monaco Grand Prix was as expected, a hell of a close fight at the front with very little in the way of position changes. Jake Humphery pointed out on the BBC coverage, simply playing the devil's advocate, that there was really no passing and it was a "boring" race. I think he's got a point in the sense that I wish that there were some places on the track where you had a legitimate place to pass an opponent. More work could be done on the tunnel exit to open up the race a little bit, but as Button pointed out (while trapped behind a Caterham), if you place your car correctly and have reasonable traction, you can block the following car for 78 laps.

Still though, it's the Monaco Grand Prix, and it's always a race of attrition which will ultimately decide the leader. I wish that it had rained (and so does Sebastian Vettel) but I still thought it was a great race to watch. I read an interesting comment on the interwebs about Monaco as an example of why America will never embrace F1 (... right). "Nothing happens" was the argument, eloquently framed. I couldn't disagree more - arguing that nothing happened at Monaco is like arguing that nothing happened in a 0-0 tie in Football/Futball/Soccer, or that nothing happened in a baseball game where two great pitchers through 9 innings of hitless baseball. If that's true, it's more a sad commentary on what excites us as American sports fans than it is a condemnation of Formula 1 racing.

The Indy 500 was good to watch, and yes they broke the record for the number of lead changes in a race, but at least a third of those lead changes were a pair of teammates trading back and forth. Not exciting in any way. Ending a race under caution? Not exciting. Now, how we got there was, but honest to God, how long does it take to get a wrecked car towed off the oval and in to the infield? Every accident cost us 7-8 laps under caution. It felt a lot like Indy was making room for TV Timeouts, which is just lame.


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Post  HWKII on Wed May 30, 2012 3:27 pm

Sauber cuts in half an F1 car to show the internals:

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Post  HWKII on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:59 pm

Pastor Maldanado continues to back me on my assertion that he should not be driving a Formula 1 car. Rolling Eyes

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Post  Forgetful on Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:57 pm

Oh, Ferrari...

Official Unveiling - 'Our car... it's so ugly.'

Pre-season testing - '...it handles so bad. Just look at Massa.'

Pundits all agree.

Successful troll is successful.

Alonso = beast mode in a race car.

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Post  HWKII on Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:18 pm

Forgetful wrote:Oh, Ferrari...

Official Unveiling - 'Our car... it's so ugly.'

Pre-season testing - '...it handles so bad. Just look at Massa.'

Pundits all agree.

Successful troll is successful.

Alonso = beast mode in a race car.

Ferrari's development this year has been absolutely astonishing and on top of that, Fernando has been driving probably better than at any other point in his career. I think the pundits were right early on, Fernando really was wrestling that car around the track. Since they brought out the new chassis and redeveloped a lot of the rear aero, that car has been very very quick. It's certainly looking like it will be a Red Bull Constructor's Championship while Fernando takes home the Driver's title, which is almost certainly going to mean curtains for Felipe Massa's career.

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Post  HWKII on Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:49 pm

If Massa doesn't get another drive, I hope Ferrari keeps Rob Smedley...



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Post  HWKII on Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:52 pm

Pastor Maldanado crashed his Williams during an exhibition in Argentina on Monday... Bleep!

Earlier that day Rubens Barichello was quoted as having said that Williams would have more championship points and a better car if he was still there working with them.

Rubens bias is biased. On the other hand... Ninja

ALSO: How good is Indy Car? If you guys aren't watching Indy (which you can do on YouTube, all races, freely), I encourage you to check it out. The DW12 is funky looking but the racing has been awesome. Also, P2P > DRS by a wide margin.

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Post  clacksman on Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:11 pm

HWKII wrote:ALSO: How good is Indy Car? If you guys aren't watching Indy (which you can do on YouTube, all races, freely), I encourage you to check it out. The DW12 is funky looking but the racing has been awesome. Also, P2P > DRS by a wide margin.

In order:
Not bad. I watch on tv when convenient. Yes. Yes.

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Post  HWKII on Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:48 pm

clacksman wrote:
HWKII wrote:ALSO: How good is Indy Car? If you guys aren't watching Indy (which you can do on YouTube, all races, freely), I encourage you to check it out. The DW12 is funky looking but the racing has been awesome. Also, P2P > DRS by a wide margin.

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Not bad. I watch on tv when convenient. Yes. Yes.

Additionally, +1 to driver personality. Indy drivers generally seem like more interesting people than F1 drivers of this current generation.

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Post  clacksman on Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:37 pm

Indeed. If F1 drivers have personality they're too sequestered to see it. The TV people can get to Indycar drivers when they're still mad/happy about whatever.

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Post  HWKII on Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:46 pm

clacksman wrote:Indeed. If F1 drivers have personality they're too sequestered to see it. The TV people can get to Indycar drivers when they're still mad/happy about whatever.

Exactly. It doesn't seem like Indy drivers spend as much of their interviews trying to say their own team/sponsors name, "I'd just like to thank my teammates, the wonderful people Vodophone-McLaren-Mercedes-Lord Voldomort. Vodophone-McLare-Mercedes-Lord Voldomort has done such a great job and as we all know, Vodophone-McLaren-Mercedes-Lord Voldomort has a long and stored history of being Vodophone-McLaren-Mercedes-Lord Voldomort." Laughing

In Indy, I think I heard Dario Franchitti (I am not looking up how to spell this so that clacksman can correct me in 3..2..1..) say "Yeah I love racing for these guys, the guys responsible for the Target car put in a lot of hard work and it's showing in our pace."

Based sheerly on the number of times that Senna looked fearful for his life in a Sky interview having accidentally referred to Lotus-GP as Renault-GP, if I were racing media I'd rather hang out with / interview the Indy drivers...

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Post  clacksman on Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:50 pm

Indycar guys get their plug(s) in early and often, but then go on to say something. Having just one or maybe two sponsors helps timewise compared to F1 where the team name has two sponsors in it.

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Post  HWKII on Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:59 pm

clacksman wrote:Indycar guys get their plug(s) in early and often, but then go on to say something. Having just one or maybe two sponsors helps timewise compared to F1 where the team name has two sponsors in it.

I watched the Vettel interview with David Letterman and he proposed (repeatedly and beligerantly Laughing) that F1 develop an Oval chassis so they could have the American Grand Prix at Indy. Vettel mostly just looked confused and afraid to answer the question. If you look closely you could probably make out a laser dot on his forehead... Ninja

That part would be frustrating, as a driver. I don't care for Lewis Hamilton on the track so much, but man oh man do I wish he'd get angry more often. When Maldonado took him off the track in Valencia he had 3 Vodophone McLaren Mercedes Dark Lord Voldomort PR people surrounding him for like an hour around the paddock... Lame!

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Post  HWKII on Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:37 am

Lewis Hamilton tweeted an instagram pic of his telemetry data ... wat? crazy

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Post  clacksman on Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:06 am

HWKII wrote:Lewis Hamilton tweeted an instagram pic of his telemetry data ... wat? crazy

Flat through Eau Rouge proof?

I hadn't watched much F1 for a couple years and hardly any this year. That start crash was fantastic.

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