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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  timneyb on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:56 am

Eventually, I'd like to dial out a small amount of the murder from the car. I'll loosen it up again once I'm relatively comfortable. I tend to prefer the minimal tunes though, and then just get to better driving through driving better.

I was feeling better at Limerock than Summit. Open practice was hilarious. Clearly I'm not alone in my troubles with this thing.

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Post  RIP_Welsh_Don on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:16 pm

Lol Timney, I hear you about the madness at the practice session at Summit Point Jefferson Reverse! I found myself facing the wrong way a lot, mainly because of trying to avoid all the others spinning left, right and centre Very Happy

I then went on to make my biggest mistake in iRacing so far. I was supposed to enter a qualifying session for the SRF at Jefferson Reverse, but it was at the time of the change over to Lime Rock, so ended up in the Lime Rock qualifying session with no practice in the SRF there. I figured, what's the worst that can happen? So I head out and decide to make it a practice/quali' session. Spin 1, spin 2, spin 3 etc etc etc. At this point I wash't thinking about my SR, just being stubborn trying to put a lap together Shocked By the end of the session I think I clocked up 38 incidents in 19 laps!! -0.66 SR Rolling Eyes Oops! lol. Anyway, lesson learned.

I was also wondering what you were all thinking of running for this upcoming season?

I will be running the SRF and the Skippy, along with a few races in the McLaren, Mustang and MX5 Cup car. I've just bought the Skippy and McLaren along with Brands Hatch, Oulton Park, Spa and Phillip Island, so I may have to miss a few races along the way due to lack of content, but we'll see how it goes.

Would be nice to be sharing the track with some of you! Wink
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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Forgetful on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:21 pm

A little counter-intuitive, but I went soft ARB up front stiff at the rear. Though they both should tune the car towards oversteer, I found that the improved steering response kept me out of situations where understeer leads to too much steering input and eventual oversteer.

Also less front brakes. I ran 63.5 at Nosreffej and LRP.
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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Forgetful on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:27 pm

I made a mistake not running the Mustang last season. I'll be running that for sure. It's fun, it's not the most difficult car to drive, and it's pretty popular.

Gonna try and defend my Div 2 championship in the Solstice ( Razz ), in the GTCup. With that I might try to get my MC award by running the MX-5 and Jetta alongside the Pontiac all season.

Also want to get more seat time in the McLaren, am hoping the Grand Am premier series continues.
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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  timneyb on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:38 pm

RIP_Welsh_Don wrote:
I was also wondering what you were all thinking of running for this upcoming season?
inRacing News for me, in the Solstice. I need the seat time more than new cars and tracks. Somehow need to bring my nerves under control in traffic.
Forgetful wrote:A little counter-intuitive, but I went soft ARB up front stiff at the rear. Though they both should tune the car towards oversteer, I found that the improved steering response kept me out of situations where understeer leads to too much steering input and eventual oversteer.

Also less front brakes. I ran 63.5 at Nosreffej and LRP.

Thanks for that. I'll see if I like the feel of those changes.

A general tuning question. Do you aim for even pressures at the end of a stint, or just ignore that data and go with what you feel? I reduced rear pressure as part of my strategy to reduce oversteer, seeing higher rear pressures at the end of 10 laps.

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Forgetful on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:59 pm

I don't worry about pressures post-race. I'll look at wear first, then temps. You just want to see the usual slightly higher wear on the insides. Just run what feels best. We're nowhere near any kind of significant wear that would reduce grip, so it's just a matter of not overheating your tires.

Just remember that old setups are old, since there was a Tire Model change with the update Friday. It was significant. Some might work. The one I had got from a race at Summit was undriveable.
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Post  Goes_To_11 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:19 pm

I'm going to try to be more consistent this season. I'll probably go between the mustang and mclaren series.

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Rooster722 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:58 pm

So, I finally decided to enter a race with the SR-Fer. I wish someone would've talked me out of it. Actually, i can run pretty fast and consistent with it all alone in testing or Q, but in a pack it's a bit of a mess for me. I'm fine with the throttle steering, it's the initial application of the brakes that has always puzzled me with the car. It doesn't matter where I set the bias, or the chassis, it's always a fight to keep it from spinning out when braking into a corner. Light/early braking with part throttle works fairly well, but I don't understand how some people brake so late with it.
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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  timneyb on Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:56 pm

Forgetful's suggestions were helpful, but it's always hard to tell the difference between increasing ability and the effect of tuning. But, putting the rear camber up to 3.0 made a big difference in my hands. The rear stayed in place better decelerating, and when it did start to slip out I found it easier to deal with or even profit from it.

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  HWKII on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:00 am

Mistakes are about to be made in Week 13...

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  HWKII on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:40 am

That was... not as bad as anticipated. Finished 12 out of 20 after getting royally hosed up feeding through the esses. Might have been a positive SR gain had it not been for a brake checking back marker later in the race who, I think, was trying to let me through but stopped on the racing line after an off. Swerved to avoid, and ruined my already pretty banged up car.

I really enjoy the SRF, I'm not supremely fast in it, but I got a 1'03.1 in Warmup before the race at Okayama Short, about 7 tenths off of pole with a stock tune. I think moving the brake balance back a bit is all I'd change... Suspect

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  RackAttack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:09 pm

Catching up with this thread so replying to old posts...

Forgetful wrote:Also less front brakes. I ran 63.5 at Nosreffej and LRP.

I generally run my SRF brakes below 60, usually 58.5 in fact. Is that weird? I feel like you can stop a lot faster that way, you just have to be a little careful when turning in with the brakes applied.

Rooster722 wrote:So, I finally decided to enter a race with the SR-Fer. I wish someone would've talked me out of it. Actually, i can run pretty fast and consistent with it all alone in testing or Q, but in a pack it's a bit of a mess for me. I'm fine with the throttle steering, it's the initial application of the brakes that has always puzzled me with the car. It doesn't matter where I set the bias, or the chassis, it's always a fight to keep it from spinning out when braking into a corner. Light/early braking with part throttle works fairly well, but I don't understand how some people brake so late with it.

I'm guessing you're talking about initial brake application while turning? If there's placed on the track where that's necessary, I generally try and get a little more turning done earlier so that I can straighten the wheel for the braking. If you're talking about turning in at the end of a straight braking zone, it's key to make very small and gentle steering inputs if you're still on the brake, because you have so much of the weight of the car on the front wheels.
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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Wallhugger60 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:49 pm

RackAttack wrote:Catching up with this thread so replying to old posts...

Forgetful wrote:Also less front brakes. I ran 63.5 at Nosreffej and LRP.

I generally run my SRF brakes below 60, usually 58.5 in fact. Is that weird? I feel like you can stop a lot faster that way, you just have to be a little careful when turning in with the brakes applied.

Rooster722 wrote:So, I finally decided to enter a race with the SR-Fer. I wish someone would've talked me out of it. Actually, i can run pretty fast and consistent with it all alone in testing or Q, but in a pack it's a bit of a mess for me. I'm fine with the throttle steering, it's the initial application of the brakes that has always puzzled me with the car. It doesn't matter where I set the bias, or the chassis, it's always a fight to keep it from spinning out when braking into a corner. Light/early braking with part throttle works fairly well, but I don't understand how some people brake so late with it.

I'm guessing you're talking about initial brake application while turning? If there's placed on the track where that's necessary, I generally try and get a little more turning done earlier so that I can straighten the wheel for the braking. If you're talking about turning in at the end of a straight braking zone, it's key to make very small and gentle steering inputs if you're still on the brake, because you have so much of the weight of the car on the front wheels.

Not weird Rack lol. I run 58-9 depending on the track and some guys are around 56 I've seen. I've watched a lot of guys in practice and that alone picks up loads of time. At Okoyama Full for instance I was having to break at the 100 marker on the back straight of go off and after watching I was seeing them braking at the 50 without lockup or spin. Like your answer to Roo, turning and breaking don't go together like they do in other cars. I definitely have my best luck if I get my turning and braking done at different times lol unless I'm lookin for forced oversteer in turn one at Limerock or someplace similar. The only thing I haven't done is anything radical with tire pressures. I know after looking at the tuning guide they did for the Skippy I was surprised to see they said to drop the pressures to 19 front and back from whatever the base tune is so there be some advantage there. They both run those street tires so I don't know.

Prolly should take the car on the pad and see. I've never used it lol.

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  group44 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:51 pm

RackAttack wrote:I generally run my SRF brakes below 60, usually 58.5 in fact. Is that weird? I feel like you can stop a lot faster that way, you just have to be a little careful when turning in with the brakes applied.

That is actually the first thing I do with any tune I've tried in the SRF. Any higher than 60 and I have a (more) difficult time braking. What's interesting to me is how others I've talked to feel the exact opposite is true and tend to stay well into the 60's scratch Different strokes and all.

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Rooster722 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:05 pm

group44 wrote:
RackAttack wrote:I generally run my SRF brakes below 60, usually 58.5 in fact. Is that weird? I feel like you can stop a lot faster that way, you just have to be a little careful when turning in with the brakes applied.

That is actually the first thing I do with any tune I've tried in the SRF. Any higher than 60 and I have a (more) difficult time braking. What's interesting to me is how others I've talked to feel the exact opposite is true and tend to stay well into the 60's scratch Different strokes and all.

Edit: Tree'd

I can be running a straight line, wheel perfectly straight, and at any significant speed the car will spin out upon even the lightest, smoothest application of the brakes unless I keep my foot on the throttle. It doesn't matter if I run the bias at 58, or 75.
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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Wallhugger60 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:15 pm

What else have you done to the car?

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Post  Rooster722 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:19 pm

Wallhugger60 wrote:What else have you done to the car?

I've crashed it. Routinely.
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Post  Wallhugger60 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:28 pm

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Wallhugger60 wrote:What else have you done to the car?

I've crashed it. Routinely.

Lmao, well we actually have something I can keep up with you at. I meant anything tune wise..toe maybe? What you describe is strange. scratch

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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  Rooster722 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:42 pm

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Wallhugger60 wrote:What else have you done to the car?

I've crashed it. Routinely.

Lmao, well we actually have something I can keep up with you at. I meant anything tune wise..toe maybe? What you describe is strange. scratch

I've run baseline, borrowed, and my own tune (which is always best for me). Same results with the braking. So, you are able to brake without maintaining part throttle ? If so, I've got another issue.
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Re: 2013 Season 1 - Starts Jan 28 2013

Post  HWKII on Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:17 pm

As far and away the least experienced, slowest and most out of practice... Rooster I'd say there's something else going on. Have you considered re-calibrating your brake pedal, or adjusting the ... oh what the devil is that setting... Left side of the control options, about 1/3 of the way down the page, it's defaulted to 1.60 but for the life of me I cannot think of what the setting is called...

Might be putting on a lot more brake than you think because the pedal is setup way too sensitive. That'd be what I'd check out first.

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Post  Rooster722 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:42 pm

HWKII wrote:As far and away the least experienced, slowest and most out of practice... Rooster I'd say there's something else going on. Have you considered re-calibrating your brake pedal, or adjusting the ... oh what the devil is that setting... Left side of the control options, about 1/3 of the way down the page, it's defaulted to 1.60 but for the life of me I cannot think of what the setting is called...

Might be putting on a lot more brake than you think because the pedal is setup way too sensitive. That'd be what I'd check out first.

I think you're talking about the brake force factor, I'm running 1.85.
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Post  HWKII on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:13 pm

Rooster722 wrote:
HWKII wrote:As far and away the least experienced, slowest and most out of practice... Rooster I'd say there's something else going on. Have you considered re-calibrating your brake pedal, or adjusting the ... oh what the devil is that setting... Left side of the control options, about 1/3 of the way down the page, it's defaulted to 1.60 but for the life of me I cannot think of what the setting is called...

Might be putting on a lot more brake than you think because the pedal is setup way too sensitive. That'd be what I'd check out first.

I think you're talking about the brake force factor, I'm running 1.85.

Drop that down a bit, or brake a lot more lightly would be my only guess. With it up that high, your brakes are probably pretty sensitive. Only thought I have. SRF is pretty stable under braking to me. Try 1.60 and see if that helps, if not... study scratch

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Post  Forgetful on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:24 pm

Load cell here, so mine's at 0.

I don't recall trying the brakes that far back. Tuning myself and taking baby steps. Wasn't a lot of practice time put in during week 13.

Of note, you can adjust the brake balance on the fly in the SRF.
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Post  RackAttack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:28 pm

Rooster722 wrote:
group44 wrote:
RackAttack wrote:I generally run my SRF brakes below 60, usually 58.5 in fact. Is that weird? I feel like you can stop a lot faster that way, you just have to be a little careful when turning in with the brakes applied.

That is actually the first thing I do with any tune I've tried in the SRF. Any higher than 60 and I have a (more) difficult time braking. What's interesting to me is how others I've talked to feel the exact opposite is true and tend to stay well into the 60's scratch Different strokes and all.

Edit: Tree'd

I can be running a straight line, wheel perfectly straight, and at any significant speed the car will spin out upon even the lightest, smoothest application of the brakes unless I keep my foot on the throttle. It doesn't matter if I run the bias at 58, or 75.

Sounds awfully fishy to me. I've never had any problem keeping the SRF straight under straight-line braking. Every once in awhile I'll push the braking point too far, and then when they lock up it might decide to spin, but that (ideally) doesn't happen too often. I haven't played with any of the data analysis tools, but it might be worth looking at that to see if your locking up a wheel (assuming the data has wheel speed...)
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Post  Forgetful on Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:10 pm

So many series', all of them running all of the time! Wat to do!?!?

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