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DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

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Post  Forgetful on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:41 am


Welcome to the DriverSorts.org Progression Club, an introduction to the methods of car building and event restrictions at the disposal of the DriverSports event staff. Beginning with a stock car in week 1, we will progress to a lightly tuned street car the 2nd week, a mild Race Modifed version in week 3 and a potent race car in the final event. Tires will advance accordingly as well.

This month's subject is the premium Nissan Silvia Spec-R Aero (S15) '02. This lightweight RWD is a favourite of drifters and is often overlooked in the world of competitive racing. Thanks to PD's Race Modified version it's a great platform for this series, starting off as a mild RWD street car and ending up a serious track car. It is our intention to promote a better understanding of how and why we allow certain parts and disallow others.

Week 1 will run with Tuning Prohibited to experience the stock car on the Sports Hard rubber it was born with. Week 2 will see the tuning restriction lifted and the 'Stealth Modifications' and Sports Medium tires allowed. Week 3 will bring the Racing Modification in to the mix (please note that after race modifying a car it needs to be broken in again). The stealth mods will stay, but an increase in power and speed will come with the Racing Modification and jump to Sports Soft tires. The final week will be run with all of the engine upgrades allowed, except for the turbos, what we call 'Max RPM', while also advancing to Racing Hard tires. All four events will have TCS disabled and ABS allowed.

DriverSports.org Rulebook:
  • Introduction
  • Licensing
  • Race Entry, Drivers Meeting, Qualifying and Scoring
  • Host Responsibilities and Authority
  • Penalties
  • Cars, Tires and Damage
  • Restrictions
  • Sporting Driver's Code

Race Day: Monday January 16, 2012

Car: Nissan Silvia Spec-R Aero (S15) '02

This event is being run with Stealth Modification regulations and 99 kg of ballast weight, the position of which is optional. See the Rulebook and Technical Regulations tab for full details.

Technical Regulations | Jan 16 | Stealth Modifications:
GT Auto:
Oil change, car wash, rims, paint and refreshes are allowed.

  • Front - Type A
  • Rear - Standard
  • Extension - Standard
  • Wing - Standard
  • Racing Modification - /
Tuning Shop:
Equip your car with the following parts.
  • Weight Reduction Stage 3
  • Window Weight Reduction
  • Carbon Hood
  • Chassis Reinforcement
  • Ballast: 99kg Position: Optional
  • Standard ECU
  • Power Limiter: 100.00%
  • Sports Intake Manifold
  • Racing Air Filter
  • Sports Exhaust Manifold
  • Standard Catalytic Converter
  • Standard Exhaust
  • Default Turbo
  • Standard Transmission
  • Clutch: Twin Plate
  • Flywheel: Semi-Racing
  • Adjustable LSD
  • Carbon Drive Shaft
  • Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit

Default
Purchased/Added
Optional
Prohibited

The maximum power figures are achieved with a fully broken in, oil changed and engine refreshed car. Adding illegal parts to make up for an unbroken car is not allowed.

  • 288 hp
  • 237 ft-lb
  • 1150 kg
  • 00/00 Max Aero
  • 461 Max Performance Points
  • 7700 Max RPM (Tuning Screen)
  • 7200 Max Redline (HUD)
  • 3.1 Bars, Turbo Boost Gauge (HUD)
Tires: Sports Medium

Track: Grand Valley East 3.00 km / 1.86 mi

Race Distance: 32 laps | 96 km | 59.52 mi

Qualifying Deadline - 9:00 PM EST

  • Pre-Qualifying Session Maximum Lap Count: 5
  • Submit a Time

Drivers Meeting - Open 9:20 PM EST | Closed 9:30 PM EST

Pre-Qualifying Results:

Proper Room Settings:
Public Lobby
Room Comment: DriverSports Div#
Race Type: Race For Real
Max # of Participants: # of Drivers qualified for the division
Race Quality: Standard
Voice Chat Quality: Disabled
Course: Grand Valley East 3.00 km / 1.86 mi
Fixed Host Status: Checked (Fixed Host)

Course Settings:
Course Selection Method: Host Picks
Course: Grand Valley East 3.00 km / 1.86 mi
Time: /
Time Progression: /
Weather: /
Weather Changeability: /
Surface Water: /

Event Settings:
Game Mode: Normal Race
Laps: PQ: 5 Race: 32
Start Type: Grid Start
Grid Order: Fastest First
Boost: OFF
Penalty: None
Automatic Race Start Cycle: Disabled
Race Finish Delay: 180 seconds
Visible Damage: On
Mechanical Damage: Heavy
Slipstream Strength: Weak
Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption: On
Grip Reduction on wet Track/Track Edge: Real
Shuffle Base: NA
Shuffle Ratio: NA

Regulation Settings:
Car Restrictions: Unrestricted
Performance Points: 461PP
Power: /
Weight: /
Drivetrain: FR
Tire Restriction: Sports: Medium
Vehicle Tuning: Allowed
No Skid Recovery Force: Checked (Skid Recovery Force prohibited)
No Active Steering: Checked (Active Steering prohibited)
No ASM: Checked (ASM prohibited)
Driving Line Off: Checked (Driving Line prohibited)
No TCS: Checked (Traction Control prohibited)
No ABS: Leave Unchecked (ABS allowed)

Schedule:
  • January
    • 9. No Tuning (NT) - Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca 3.60 km / 2.24 mi | 23 laps | 82.8km | 51.52mi
    • 16. Stealth Mod (SM) - Grand Valley East 3.00 km / 1.86 mi | 32 laps | 96km | 59.52 mi
    • 23. Race Mod/ Stealth Mod (RM/SM)- Road Course - Indy 4.19 km / 2.61 mi | 24 laps | 100.56km | 62.64 mi
    • 30. Race Mod/ Max RPM (RM/MRPM) - Road Course - Daytona 5.73 km / 3.56 mi | 21 laps | 120.33 km | 74.76 mi

Upcoming Technical Regulations:

Technical Regulations | Jan 23 | Racing Modification/ Stealth Modifications:
GT Auto:
Oil change, car wash, rims, paint and refreshes are allowed.

  • Front - /
  • Rear - /
  • Extension - /
  • Wing - /
  • Racing Modification - Mandatory
Tuning Shop:
Equip your car with the following parts.
  • Chassis Reinforcement
  • Ballast: 100kg Position: Optional
  • Standard ECU
  • Power Limiter: 100.00%
  • Sports Intake Manifold
  • Racing Air Filter
  • Sports Exhaust Manifold
  • Standard Catalytic Converter
  • Titanium Racing Exhaust
  • Default Turbo
  • Fully Customizable Transmission
  • Clutch: Twin Plate
  • Flywheel: Semi-Racing
  • Adjustable LSD
  • Carbon Drive Shaft
  • Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit

Default
Purchased/Added
Optional
Prohibited

The maximum power figures are achieved with a fully broken in, oil changed and engine refreshed car. Adding illegal parts to make up for an unbroken car is not allowed.

  • 319 hp
  • 251 ft-lb
  • 1100 kg
  • 20/50 Max Aero
  • 510 Max Performance Points
  • 8000 Max RPM (Tuning Screen)
  • 7500 Max Redline (HUD)
  • 3.1 Bars, Turbo Boost Gauge (HUD)
Tires: Sports Soft

Technical Regulations | Jan 30 | Racing Modification/ Max RPM/ Default Turbo:
GT Auto:
Oil change, car wash, rims, paint and refreshes are allowed.

  • Front - /
  • Rear - /
  • Extension - /
  • Wing - /
  • Racing Modification - Mandatory
Tuning Shop:
Equip your car with the following parts.
  • Chassis Reinforcement
  • Ballast: 0kg Position: Optional
  • ECU Tuning
  • Engine Tuning: Stage 3
  • Power Limiter: 100.00%
  • Sports Intake Manifold
  • Racing Air Filter
  • Sports Exhaust Manifold
  • Catalytic Converter: Sports
  • Titanium Racing Exhaust
  • Default Turbo
  • Fully Customizable Transmission
  • Clutch: Twin Plate
  • Flywheel: Semi-Racing
  • Adjustable LSD
  • Carbon Drive Shaft
  • Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit

Default
Purchased/Added
Optional
Prohibited

The maximum power figures are achieved with a fully broken in, oil changed and engine refreshed car. Adding illegal parts to make up for an unbroken car is not allowed.

  • 373 hp
  • 269 ft-lb
  • 1000 kg
  • 20/50 Max Aero
  • 539 Max Performance Points
  • 8600 Max RPM (Tuning Screen)
  • 8100 Max Redline (HUD)
  • 3.1 Bars, Turbo Boost Gauge (HUD)
Tires: Racing Hard


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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  Forgetful on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:59 am

This event is being run with Stealth Modification regulations and 99 kg of ballast weight, the position of which is optional.

Modifications that cannot be detected are allowed. Replays show a car's redline and boost gauge, which means events can be set to allow only the parts that do not increase a car's redline beyond it's stock setting. These 'undetectable' parts are the Intake and Exhaust manifolds, Air Filters and Supercharger, as well as oil change and break-in hp gains. Suspension and Drivetrain parts are also unverifiable so those modifications are always allowed as well. On most cars the different turbos produce different boost values, visible in replays, allowing for restriction by individual turbo modification. Superchargers can not be detected but often provide so much power that the redundant PP restriction should make it obvious and deter its use, though the league will usually allow it instead. Transmission upgrades can be detected by the audible gear whine, so events can be run with the stock transmission or the Fully Customizable Transmission, at the event creator's discretion. The same audible test allows for specific exhausts to be selected in certain cases. Specific number plates, colours, rims and aerodynamic parts are easily restricted by visual inspection. All weight reductions will be required to maintain consistency, though ballast weight may be required. League officials will check event replays to ensure the legality of all competitors in events where these restrictions are in place. Hosts will set the appropriate PP restriction as a redundant precaution.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  clacksman on Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:09 pm

Maintenance on this night, starting 10PM eastern and going for an hour.

http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/gt5news/d6197.html

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  clacksman on Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:07 pm

When built to the listed specs, my car makes 462pp instead of the allowed 461 if the ballast is positioned at +8 or greater.

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Post  Forgetful on Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:10 pm

Well then, don't put it past where the PP changes I guess. afro

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  clacksman on Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:20 pm

Forgetful wrote:Well then, don't put it past where the PP changes I guess. afro

Or ... study add the 6kg at position 50 to get the pp down ... Ninja

Additionally, the RM-max numbers are short or something. I have one with stage 3 engine done and all the parts on it. I put it back to default turbo and it makes 381hp with just 25km on it. The tuning screen rpm is correct. scratch

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  vkaifh on Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:04 pm

I plan to prepare and q for this later this evening. Does anyone already have a tune for this? I checked gtdata but couldn't find a tune.

If not I work with my standard 'tune' Razz

Until we get more than one division the pre-q is kind of obsolete anyway.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  clacksman on Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:01 pm

I haven't been out other than to check the build(s), so I'll just be on my RWD calibrated guess of 1.1s camber, no toe, 25/25/5 LSD when I next go out.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  vkaifh on Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:13 pm

submitted a 1'12.531; car is now at Laguna Seca and I go to bed. I'll adjust my tune tomorrow if new information is available. Cool

See you all tomorrow night. Very Happy

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  vkaifh on Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:18 am

clacksman wrote:
Forgetful wrote:Well then, don't put it past where the PP changes I guess. afro

Or ... study add the 6kg at position 50 to get the pp down ... Ninja

After coming back from Laguna Seca my car has now also 462pp. To get back to 461 I can either use the limiter, add 6kg or move the weight. Are all 3 solutions within the rules?

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  clacksman on Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:38 pm

vkaifh wrote:Are all 3 solutions within the rules?

Yep. I'd go with the extra 6kg in the back.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  timneyb on Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:53 pm

clacksman wrote:
vkaifh wrote:Are all 3 solutions within the rules?

Yep. I'd go with the extra 6kg in the back.

Are you sure? The reading says 99kg ballast, not AT LEAST 99kg ballast. Wording change?

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  clacksman on Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:08 pm

We can only tell whether you're at at least a minimum weight via the room weight setting, we can't tell whether you're overweight.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  vkaifh on Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:46 pm

I found a tune for the car on gtdata but it is using a customized transmission. I just want to confirm that we are supposed to use the standard transmission. Correct?

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  timneyb on Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:17 pm

vkaifh wrote:I found a tune for the car on gtdata but it is using a customized transmission. I just want to confirm that we are supposed to use the standard transmission. Correct?

Oh bugger. I saw custom suspension and figured transmission would be similar. I might have time to do another Pre Q set before race time.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  Forgetful on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:06 pm



Not racing but I'll host for you guys Smile

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  vkaifh on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:09 pm

Forgetful wrote:Not racing but I'll host for you guys Smile

almost as good as if you would race with us. Thanks Forgetful clap

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Post  timneyb on Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:31 pm

And maintenance is under way.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  vkaifh on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:45 am

congrats to the win timneyb clap

I guess the only one who could have kept up with you might have been Rooster but he had bad luck in lap 1. I lost every lap a few tenth on you and the later in the race the more I lost.
But I had robiker with me and we stayed close together all the way to lap 31 when I got myself into trouble and damaged the car. That was really fun robiker Thumbs Up!

Gotta say I like the events; race length, tire choice, heavy damage and pre race qualifying; it all fits my taste. Thumbs Up!

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  Revengel on Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:11 am

Fun times last night (until I put 'er in a wall..!) and I feel SOOOOOO good about how I did.

Y'see, Reading Is Fundamental.

My car had the two manifolds, air filter, Sport Medium tires & paint. *Had I been playing a-bloody tention* I would have gotten the weight reduction. No wonder I was only at 452pp at race start w/ a not-broken-in car.

Next time I'll take off the ankle weights.

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Post  bamboo4wt on Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:27 am

Great to finally get to run with you guys over here. I guess I should be much more cautious on lap 1 in a race because those mediums were really squirrely compared to my lounge in practice.

Apologies again on my not so rookie screw-up on lap 1 cherry
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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  timneyb on Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:29 am

vkaifh wrote:congrats to the win timneyb

I guess the only one who could have kept up with you might have been Rooster but he had bad luck in lap 1. I lost every lap a few tenth on you and the later in the race the more I lost.
But I had robiker with me and we stayed close together all the way to lap 31 when I got myself into trouble and damaged the car. That was really fun robiker

Gotta say I like the events; race length, tire choice, heavy damage and pre race qualifying; it all fits my taste.

Thanks vk. Wound up gifted a 3 second lead on lap 1 when bamboo slid off on cold tires and rooster got too close to avoid the mess. They bounced apart right in front of me like the proverbial Red Sea. With no battle I could just control the gap while preserving the tires. Thems the breaks.

Agreed I like the events so far. I'm a fan of Sports and Comfort tires, in particular. Sports Softs in that race would have forced some to pit, which may or may not have provided additional interest.

All we need is growing participation.

lol Revengel.

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Re: DriverSports Progression Club | Mon 16 | Stealth Mod | Silvia S15 '02 | GVE

Post  Revengel on Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:42 am

bamboo4wt wrote:Great to finally get to run with you guys over here. I guess I should be much more cautious on lap 1 in a race because those mediums were really squirrely compared to my lounge in practice.

Apologies again on my not so rookie screw-up on lap 1 cherry

Hey, it happens! At least you had the chance to keep on driving & catch up to some in the field!



GRATS on the win (and lapping me) Timneyb!

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