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No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

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No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Forgetful on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:12 pm


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Race Day: Friday February 10, 2012

Car: Lotus Elise '96 [P]

This event is being run with No Tuning regulations. All aids including TCS and ABS are prohibited. See the Rulebook and Technical Regulations tab for full details.

Technical Regulations:
GT Auto:
Oil change, car wash, rims, paint and refreshes are allowed.

  • Front - Prohibited
  • Rear - Prohibited
  • Extension - Prohibited
  • Wing - Prohibited
  • Racing Modification - Prohibited
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The maximum power figures are achieved with a fully broken in, oil changed and engine refreshed car. Adding illegal parts to make up for an unbroken car is not allowed.

  • 124 hp
  • 127 ft-lb
  • 755 kg
  • 00/00 Max Aero
  • 417 Max Performance Points
Tires: Comfort Soft

Track: Nürburgring GP/D 3.63 km / 2.26 mi

Race Distance: 21 laps | 76.23km | 47.46 mi

Qualifying Deadline - 9:00 PM EST


Drivers Meeting - Open 9:20 PM EST | Closed 9:30 PM EST

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Event Settings:
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Laps: PQ: 5 | Race: 21
Start Type: Grid Start
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Race Finish Delay: 180 seconds
Visible Damage: On
Mechanical Damage: Heavy
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Tire Restriction: Comfort: Soft
Vehicle Tuning: Prohibited
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No ASM: Checked (ASM prohibited)
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No TCS: Checked (Traction Control prohibited)
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Schedule:
  • February
    • Friday 3. Tsukuba Circuit 2.05 km / 1.27 mi | 35 laps | 71.75 km | 44.45 mi
    • Friday 10. Nürburgring GP/D 3.63 km / 2.26 mi | 21 laps | 76.23km | 47.46 mi
    • Friday 17. TBA
    • Friday 24. TBA
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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:13 pm

In the 52s in free run. Somewhat tricky car; don't go full throttle while turning and you'll be fine. Couple spots where you can be in 2nd gear but it's much easier if you're in 3rd gear.

edit: 2/0 brakes better than 1/0 I think, quicker for me at least.

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  timneyb on Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:58 am

Banked a 53.6 last night. Not a particularly good lap, but I was finding it difficult to put this track together. I can be quicker with 2/0 by getting on the brakes later, but you can't use 100% brakes very often or for very long without locking up. 1/0 is more comfortable feeling but slower.

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  vkaifh on Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:50 am

changed the breaks also to 2/0 and it seems to allow me to break a tiny bit later; 1'52.732 now.
Seeing all the sliding in replay I have to believe there are even a few more tenth out there. But that doesn't seem to be that important for the race. The car is behaving differently after 10 laps or so and I have to learn to adjust to that. Not that it gets (much) slower but I lose the rear much more often than on the first 10 laps. No

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:33 pm

vkaifh wrote:The car is behaving differently after 10 laps or so and I have to learn to adjust to that. Not that it gets (much) slower but I lose the rear much more often than on the first 10 laps. No

That's about when the balance changes for me and there's two reasons - the rear tires have some wear, and the front tires (finally) have heat.

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:53 pm

Q'd 1'52.124, split times 46.828 and 1'16.858.

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  vkaifh on Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:59 pm

clacksman wrote:Q'd 1'52.124, split times 46.828 and 1'16.858.

not surprising but very impressive nontheless

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Wallhugger60 on Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:35 pm

Well at least I'm consistant with the splits at 2+ seconds at each so not losing much from point to point Smile . Don't know what I'm doing wrong, but with 230 miles on the car with fresh oil, I can't get past 122 hp. It won't let me refresh the engine whether that would help or not. Shut the game off and came back in and still 122 Question . Plus after my Q there was no mileage increase. Shoulda been 250+. Anyway, got some good laps, and didn't hit the wall Cool . see you guys after a bit,

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Last edited by Wallhugger60 on Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:37 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : forgot about the keyboard)

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:06 pm

Wallhugger60 wrote:Don't know what I'm doing wrong, but with 230 miles on the car with fresh oil, I can't get past 122 hp.

Limiter?

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Wallhugger60 on Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:27 pm

Don't recall touching it but I'll take a look inna bit.



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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Forgetful on Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:31 pm

Wallhugger60 wrote:

Oh yea, gonna try to use my BT keyboard from Xmas lol. Tired of tryin to talk to you all with the controller lol.

I have one and it's a wonderful accessory.
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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  timneyb on Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:07 pm

I'm not sure if I'll run tonight. Only just getting dinner somewhere near the table. Stupid Fridays.

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  group44 on Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:34 pm

timneyb wrote:Stupid Fridays.

This. Evil or Very Mad Have fun gents, I'll look for ya later for the post race report.
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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Forgetful on Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:01 pm

Tired a one and done Q. I think I'll leave this one for the practiced among us. I'll see you guys tomorrow. Smile



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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  vkaifh on Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:02 pm

Forgetful wrote:
Hope you don't mind me picking you as host vk.

I'll do my best

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  vkaifh on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:32 pm

Results:
clacksman 39'23.307
RIP_Welsh_Don +5.013
Rooster722 +15.440
vkaifh +36.664
Wallhugger60 +2'05.337

Congrats clacksman clap

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:34 pm

Not much position change, but up front I was watchin' the gap back to Don like a nearsighted hawk the entire last 20 laps.

39'23.307 Colonel Mustard
39'28.320 RIP_Welsh_Don (5.013)
39'38.747 Podium Joe (15.440)
39'54.976 vkaifh (31.669)
41'28.644 Wallhugger60 (not a lap down at any time)

edit: tree'd on results

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:50 pm

Best lap was 15, including the best T3 I did all race. Splits T1 46.972 - T2 29.793 (1'16.765) - T3 34.778
My best T1 all race was 46.732, best T2 was 29.753, so potential best lap 1'51.263

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  RIP_Welsh_Don on Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:26 am

Like the edit of 'Colonel Mustard' above! lol

Great, consistent run out there by Clacksman. Unfortunately I ran a sloppy lap 6 I believe (1'53.4xx) which cost me Clacksman's bumper. No major mistakes from him meant I never got back, but his general pace was quicker than mine anyway Smile, so well deserved.

Just checked the replay and couldn't help but notice that I stole the fastest lap by 0.003s, my lap 10 of 1'51.540 to Clacksman's lap 15 of 1'51.543 Shocked However, I'm clearly doing something wrong in the final sector of this track as I never got below 35s all night, with a best final sector of 35.084s I think. On my fastest lap my splits were T1 - 46.581s, T2 - 29.774s, T3 - 35.185s

Interesting race this one which required a lot of concentration and good car control Smile
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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Wallhugger60 on Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:14 am

Col. Mustard lol. Your car was definitely Dijon color In this one. A regular Frenches Yellow TT might look cool too.

Good job C on the win, watched the replay and got some good info I think. You were braking much later than me. Do you use paddles or shifter? Just askin cuz the downshifts were sounding more like they would using a clutch when you brought yer revs up. Definitely saw where the time was going though. Also not sure that 2 hp didn't make a difference in some areas where I couldn't match acceleration.

Happy to say most of my corner speeds were very close (most of the time) to the rest of you guys. And no crashes (2 baby spins) and I finished in the same lap Smile for a change. 2 more laps and would have not been true lol. After the race I said tuff track on CS, and C said tuff car on CS lol. Most definitely both! There's like 2 spots you can catch your breath and then it's back at it lol. Thanks for all the help this week, I appreciate it. First official race at GP/D.

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:28 am

Wallhugger60 wrote:Good job C on the win, watched the replay and got some good info I think. You were braking much later than me. Do you use paddles or shifter? Just askin cuz the downshifts were sounding more like they would using a clutch when you brought yer revs up. Definitely saw where the time was going though.

I use the H-pattern shifter but not the clutch. Shifts (up and down) on a replay can sound a bit weird compared to live in the car.

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Wallhugger60 on Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:55 am

It didn't sound wierd, it sounded right. I don't think you can get the same affect with the paddles. You were doing a compression brake kinda thing hitting the brakes and downshifting at the same time from my view. We used to do that when we were kids in our "Hot Rods" lol cuz it sounded cool. But it will slow you down much quicker than just the brakes. It tears street car to shreds though cuz everything gets a very hard shock. I'll have to see if I can do it with the paddles but I don't think you can bring up the revs without makin the car lurch at the same time (no neutral).

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  vkaifh on Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:06 am

Slept through the start and got to turn 1 last. In a desparate attempt to catch up I added a little spin 2 turns later.
But looking back it didn't really matter because I doubt there was enough draft to let me hang on to any of the 3 in front. The pace difference was too big.
I enjoyed the race anyway, the car is great and GP/D a fantastic track. I spent about 4 hours preparing for this and w/o that I wouldn't have had a chance to get through the rest of the race w/o bigger mistakes. Finishing 36 seconds behind on a challenging event like this is an accomplishment for me. Thumbs Up!

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  clacksman on Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:06 am

Wallhugger60 wrote:It didn't sound wierd, it sounded right. I don't think you can get the same affect with the paddles. You were doing a compression brake kinda thing hitting the brakes and downshifting at the same time from my view. We used to do that when we were kids in our "Hot Rods" lol cuz it sounded cool. But it will slow you down much quicker than just the brakes. It tears street car to shreds though cuz everything gets a very hard shock. I'll have to see if I can do it with the paddles but I don't think you can bring up the revs without makin the car lurch at the same time (no neutral).

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Without clutch use there's no neutral (you would see an N in the gear display), and I wasn't adding throttle (it auto-blips on downshifts same as with paddles).

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Re: No Tuning | Elise '96 | Friday Feb 10 | GP/D

Post  Wallhugger60 on Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:32 am

clacksman wrote:
Wallhugger60 wrote:It didn't sound wierd, it sounded right. I don't think you can get the same affect with the paddles. You were doing a compression brake kinda thing hitting the brakes and downshifting at the same time from my view. We used to do that when we were kids in our "Hot Rods" lol cuz it sounded cool. But it will slow you down much quicker than just the brakes. It tears street car to shreds though cuz everything gets a very hard shock. I'll have to see if I can do it with the paddles but I don't think you can bring up the revs without makin the car lurch at the same time (no neutral).

Wall

Without clutch use there's no neutral (you would see an N in the gear display), and I wasn't adding throttle (it auto-blips on downshifts same as with paddles).

Okay, then I guess it must be how your timing it that it sounded that way.I don't remember you hitting the limiter so you're definitely doing somerthing different then me (besides going faster). I'll still see what I was doin and see if I can replicate what I heard/saw. I can't really use my shifter mounted where it is. I guess at some point I'll move it to my seat pedestal.

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