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Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

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Post  Forgetful on Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:13 am


Welcome to Pre-Season Testing for DriverSports' newest class, the Tin-Top Touring Challenge. This class will introduce a new form of technical regulations that should allow deliberate, car specific leveling, allowing for a diverse field of cars that are closely competitive.

Race coordinators have identified 8 Premium RWD cars that were able to be built in a way that is verifiable by checking the redline, boost gauge readings and exhaust note and tip. The parts allowed are the best possible combination that will produce the indicated redline with the correct exhaust equipped, which means not only can the race marshals perform post race inspections by reviewing the replay, but so can anyone who has access to the replay file. By controlling these identifiable indicators on a car by car basis the race coordinators were able to find a level of tuning and appropriate indicators for each car that keeps them in a tight range of fast lap times in a testing situation.

These pre-season races will give the directors a chance to see if our theories hold up to pure competition in the hands of skilled competitors before we launch in to a full series. Once the series is underway drivers will be asked to stay committed to one car for the duration, however selection is open for pre-season testing.

For week 2 we arrive at a different kind of circuit, Monza. We are using the weather version though the forecast calls for blue skies all weekend. The TVR has had a small performance adjustment, and otherwise we're happy with the overall results of the first pre-season test and enthusiastic for round 2 and the upcoming series.

DriverSports.org Rulebook:

Race Day: Sunday February 12, 2012

Class: Touring Challenge

This event is being run with specific regulations for each car. See the Rulebook and Technical Regulations tab for full details.

Track: Autodromo Nazionale Monza / Weather Change 5.79 km / 3.60 mi

Race Distance: 20 laps | 115.8km | 72 mi

Time and Weather Settings:
Variable Time/ Weather Pre-Qualifying Settings

  • Time: /
  • Time Progression: /
  • Weather: 0%
  • Weather Changeability: 0
  • Surface Water: 0%
Variable Time/ Weather Race Settings

  • Time: /
  • Time Progression: /
  • Weather: 0%
  • Weather Changeability: 0
  • Surface Water: 0%
Qualifying Deadline - 9:00 PM EST


Drivers Meeting - Open 9:20 PM EST | Closed 9:30 PM EST

Pre-Qualifying Results

Proper Room Settings:
Public Lobby
Room Comment: DriverSports.org D#
Race Type: Race For Real
Max # of Participants: # of Drivers qualified for the division
Race Quality: Standard
Voice Chat Quality: Disabled
Course: Autodromo Nazionale Monza / Weather Change 5.79 km / 3.60 mi
Fixed Host Status: Checked (Fixed Host)

Course Settings:
Course Selection Method: Host Picks
Course: Autodromo Nazionale Monza / Weather Change 5.79 km / 3.60 mi
Time: /
Time Progression: /
Weather: PQ: 0% | Race: 0%
Weather Changeability: PQ: 0 | Race: 0
Surface Water: PQ: 0% | Race: 0%

Event Settings:
Game Mode: Normal Race
Laps: PQ: 5 | Race: 20
Start Type: Grid Start
Grid Order: Reverse Grid Based on Previous Race Results
Boost: OFF
Penalty: None
Automatic Race Start Cycle: Disabled
Race Finish Delay: 180 seconds
Visible Damage: On
Mechanical Damage: Heavy
Slipstream Strength: Weak
Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption: On
Grip Reduction on wet Track/Track Edge: Real
Shuffle Base: NA
Shuffle Ratio: NA

Regulation Settings:
Car Restrictions: Unrestricted
Performance Points: /
Power: 443 hp
Weight: 1080 kg
Drivetrain: FR
Tire Restriction: Sports: Soft
Vehicle Tuning: Unrestricted
No Skid Recovery Force: Checked (Skid Recovery Force prohibited)
No Active Steering: Checked (Active Steering prohibited)
No ASM: Checked (ASM prohibited)
Driving Line Off: Checked (Driving Line prohibited)
No TCS: Checked (Traction Control prohibited)
No ABS: Leave Unchecked (ABS allowed)

Schedule:
  • February
    • Sunday 12. Autodromo Nazionale Monza / Weather Change 5.79 km / 3.60 mi | 20 laps | 115.8km | 72 mi
    • Sunday 19. Fuji Speedway F 4.56 km / 2.84 mi
    • Sunday 26. Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps 7.00 km / 4.35 mi (DLC)


  • March
    • Sunday 4. Road Course - Indy 4.19 km / 2.61 mi
    • Sunday 11. Cote D'Azur 3.35 km / 2.08 mi
    • Sunday 18. Nürburgring GP/F 5.15 km / 3.20 mi
    • Sunday 25. Suzuka Circuit / Weather Change 5.81 km / 3.61 mi


General Technical Regulations

GT Auto:
Oil change, car wash, rims, paint and refreshes are allowed.

  • Front - Optional
  • Rear - Optional
  • Extension - Optional
  • Wing - Mandatory - Must be a tall wing. No spoilers please
  • Racing Modification - Prohibited

Tires: Sports Soft

Your installed parts, performance statistics, HUD readings and exhaust tips and sound must match the accompanying image and video exactly. If unlisted the default part is equipped. All cars are equipped with the default Standard Transmission. No gear whine should be audible on any car. The maximum power figures are achieved with a fully broken in, oil changed and engine refreshed car with less than 10,000 km. Adding illegal parts to make up for an unbroken car is not allowed.

BMW 135i Coupe '07 Technical Regulations:



BMW Z4 M Coupe '08 Technical Regulations:



Infiniti G35 Coupe '06 Technical Regulations:



Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 Technical Regulations:



Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08 Technical Regulations:



Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '07 Technical Regulations:



*PLEASE NOTE CHANGES TO THIS CAR FROM THE PREVIOUS RACE.
TVR Tuscan Speed Six '00 Technical Regulations:



This car requires additional ballast to meet the minimum weight of 1080kg
To maintain the competitive balance this car was adjusted by reducing to standard exhaust and by increasing the minimum weight to 1080kg, adding 30 more kg to the TVR.

Toyota 86 GT '12 Technical Regulations:


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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  clacksman on Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:23 am

I gave these 8 cars a blast a couple days ago. First Monza run I've done and generated tire heat. 1'57.3-1'58.4 depending on car.

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  timneyb on Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:54 am

Z34 in Tahitian Walnut with dark red rims is ready to race. mmm... chocolatey

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  clacksman on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:09 pm

With two 10s and a 20 in tims lounge this morning, I'm effectively time-committed to the Z4M this week. Tune in GTData.

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  timneyb on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:37 pm

Also tunes for Z34 and G35. I'll race the G35 tonight. I think it's too much of a pig to race elsewhere, so I'll run it here, where it's only mostly porcine.

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  timneyb on Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:05 pm

Here are all the GTData tunes for these cars:


And recorded times at Monza (only mine are listed as I post this):


TVR, even with reduced power and increased weight is probably the fastest here.

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  clacksman on Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:48 pm

Q'd the Z4M, it's most likely the car I'll use for the series.

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Post  HWKII on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:45 pm

Going to Q the TVR, not because it's supposedly very quick around here, but because it's British. And it's green. What a Face

Going to start up a practice lounge in about half an hour.

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Post  HWKII on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:20 pm

Lounge is up for practice and tuning. Going to probably practice until race start time.

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Post  clacksman on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:23 pm

Be joining you in a few minutes.

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  clacksman on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:05 pm

I wonder how many of the Z4M drivers fell for my old "fake tune" trick ...



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Post  HWKII on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:10 pm

It would appear that only I stand between England and the Axis horde...

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  robiker on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:16 pm

clacksman wrote:I wonder how many of the Z4M drivers fell for my old "fake tune" trick ...



Razz

Hmm...
Didn't even look at it. My basic settings worked fine the first try.
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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  group44 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:28 pm

Weird day for me and tech stuff. Right now I'm watching one of my controllers go rogue. Suspect Keeps attempting to turn on the ps3. Have fun guys, this looked like it was gonna be a great one.
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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  clacksman on Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:04 am

group44 wrote:Have fun guys, this looked like it was gonna be a great one.

It was pretty fun.

I started 5th because I pitted during Q (not recommended), but started well enough to tag along to tim and Roo, Mr. F and biker caught up, Mr.F went through the pack, tim spun out from 3rd, I almost died but got through unscathed, biker braked behind me when I dodged tim so he was out of it having lost draft, about when I caught the lead pair biker was right behind me again.

*deep breath*

This time biker went through the pack, Mr F went a bit wide in the last turn and lost speed, when he came back on I think I punted him back out there, figured I was set for third because I was bad under braking and therefore couldn't pass anything, but then Roo tossed away 2nd in the last turn last lap leaving me 2nd behind robiker.

*ddep breath*

I probly forgot some stuff ...

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  HWKII on Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:27 am

Made a pre-race change to the TVR, dropping it 10mm front and back. This stopped the horrible horrendous very bad weight shift forward under breaking from being so horrible horrendous and very bad.

The good news: I no longer required a full football field to stop.
The bad news: I did not know this before starting the race...

Passed easily in to Turn 1 due to obscene early braking maneuver.

Feeling confident and brave, braked late for the 2nd chicane... and that's where I figured my race would end. Got out of the pits, put in a couple 1'59 laps and a 1'58.7 (Good change to tune is good). Jochen must have had an incident at some point, caught him up as he was coming out of the pits, diced with him a bit, eventually got around and thought to myself "Hey, maybe I can catch up NoAffiliation and pick up a 6th... Nope.

Parked on lap 10 or so very angry with myself. Will continue to practice, I like the TVR a lot more now that I lowered it.

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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  Forgetful on Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:09 am

The race was mine to win and I threw it away in Parabolica on the second to last lap. Evil or Very Mad

Great race all around, I'm happy with most of my drive, but man was that disappointing.
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Re: Pre-Season Testing | Tin-Top Touring Challenge | Sunday Feb. 12 | Monza

Post  timneyb on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:58 am

Testing with clacksman showed the G35 could keep up at Monza over the first 10-15 laps, weared it's tires evenly and remained pretty drivable to the end. But those last 5 or so laps were real slow in the corners, being 5 mph or so below the competition mid corner.

So, for the race I took an aggressive strategy on the brakes and dialed the balance 2/7 to the rear. I figured that the car was drivable with 50/50 front/rear wear, then if I could get it to 60/40 it would still be drivable and push a little less late in the race, when it was most vulnerable. I got the wear pattern I was after, but the push still got real bad, and suddenly it got squirrely on exit. Combine that with racing hard to keep up with competition that wasn't losing nearly as much performance, and the obvious happened. I'm glad my spin provided mostly amusement – I couldn't control not coming back across the track as the car searched for a wall to mate with. My conclusion is that the G35 can't win at Monza, so probably can't win anywhere (suspect skinny tires).

Got down in the 57.1s in clean air after my pit though.

I think I will run either the Z34 or the TVR for the series, or maybe the 135i if I want to run a dog (I think it needs a power boost to be competitive anywhere).

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Post  timneyb on Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:10 am

Oh, and hey, can I get a hint on what the first track for the series will be? I've got a Dad's night with Owen tonight, which means I'll get elusive practice time after he goes to bed.

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Post  clacksman on Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:15 am

timneyb wrote:Oh, and hey, can I get a hint on what the first track for the series will be? I've got a Dad's night with Owen tonight, which means I'll get elusive practice time after he goes to bed.

Sched for entire series is in the bottom of the OP. The WC tracks are just for looks, rain won't be a possibility.

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Post  timneyb on Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:18 am

clacksman wrote:
timneyb wrote:Oh, and hey, can I get a hint on what the first track for the series will be? I've got a Dad's night with Owen tonight, which means I'll get elusive practice time after he goes to bed.

Sched for entire series is in the bottom of the OP. The WC tracks are just for looks, rain won't be a possibility.

aha, so it is. I'll book my flight.

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Post  robiker on Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:30 pm

I didn't know the Z4 would be the favorite for this race. I just picked it because it sounded good in the video. I didn't allow myself much practice time, either - waiting until about 50 minutes before the Q deadline to get on the track.
My basic setup:
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I usually don't change spring rates, but the default front spring rate was unusually low for a FR car, so I raised it til it was slightly higher than the rear.
I only had time for 12 laps of practice, but luckily the car handled well and had even tire wear. After one 5 lap pre-qual run, I was surprised to find I had the second fastest time.
In the race, Forgetful and I started together, but small mistakes in the first two laps caused us to lose touch with the lead trio. Trying to leap frog each other was just slowing us down, so I decided to stay behind for a while and we eventually caught up. My pre-qual lap time and my ability to run with the leaders gave me confidence that I might have a shot at a podium finish, but I wanted to wait til lap 15 to make a charge. When Timneyb spun I had to slow quite a bit and lost Clacksman's draft, but was able to catch back up within a couple of laps. My tires seemed to be in better shape than Rooster's, and I got a good drive out of the last turn on lap 19, drafting by him to take the lead. I was able to put a gap on him in the turns, while Clacksman was struggling to make a pass for second.
I still can't believe I won. It feels great! The competition is really tough in this league.
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Post  group44 on Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:16 pm

robiker wrote:I still can't believe I won. It feels great! The competition is really tough in this league.

Congrats robiker clap Any position you can gain in this crowd is a good one, especially when it's the first one Very Happy
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Post  jochenrindt on Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:59 pm

Just got finished watching the replay from last night's race at Monza....I cursored around each driver for a few laps, and figured out very quickly that I was pulling gears too quickly to the next higher gear, not waiting for the redline and then some....Went right back out onto Monza Weather change in my lounge, and posted a 01:59.011 the second lap out!!! I was also downshifting too far in 2 of the turns, when I took them now in 3rd, my lap time dropped....I've been overlooking the replays, and now I can't wait for next week...

Thanks again for all the ideas and encouragement...



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