Re: Formula 1 2013 - The Official Discussion Thread

**SpecMiata-JSW** Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:26 pm

Agreed, the only thing he seems consistent at is catching air in a race car every three or four years. I've always liked him though, seems like a nice guy.

**HWKII** Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:48 pm

SpecMiata-JSW wrote:Agreed, the only thing he seems consistent at is catching air in a race car every three or four years. I've always liked him though, seems like a nice guy.

Absolutely - would be great to have him and Barichello in IndyCar. GoodBlokeToHaveABeerWith Racing. Cool

**HWKII** Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:07 am

Found the 1997 season online, downloaded. Loving it. What a Face

What I noticed is that everything they say F1 can't survive with (Simple aero, tire war, open engine regulations, wide rear wings, cigarette companies) was just so much more entertaining of a sport than with the 2013 model. 1997 F1 is just fantastic. Monaco (Barichello on the podium for Stewart, Sir Jackie in tears after the race!) and Hungary have been especially incredible. Watching Damon Hill in an Arrow chase Michael Schumacher around for 8 labs within 0.3 seconds and eventually passing him under breaking down the pit straight is going to have made watching the rest of the 2013 F1 season very difficult for me. Sad

IndyCar road races may take over my weekends. DRS and KERS and stupid tires make William a sad boy. Neutral

**clacksman** Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:19 am

HWKII wrote:Found the 1997 season online, downloaded. Loving it.

What I noticed is that everything they say F1 can't survive with (Simple aero, tire war, open engine regulations, wide rear wings, cigarette companies) was just so much more entertaining of a sport than with the 2013 model. 1997 F1 is just fantastic. Monaco (Barichello on the podium for Stewart, Sir Jackie in tears after the race!) and Hungary have been especially incredible. Watching Damon Hill in an Arrow chase Michael Schumacher around for 8 labs within 0.3 seconds and eventually passing him under breaking down the pit straight is going to have made watching the rest of the 2013 F1 season very difficult for me.

IndyCar road races may take over my weekends. DRS and KERS and stupid tires make William a sad boy.

Not really open engine regs, but at least there's dat noise variety

That was probably the season I paid the most attention to (lolnationalism), after then it was a combo of Schumiwinslol and races in places where I couldn't just wake up early Sunday morning to see them.

**HWKII** Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:52 am

'Dat old Hockenheim circuit...

I was hoping there was still enough of it left that it could be put in to iRacing, but unfortunately it looks like (from the Google Maps satellite view) it was torn up. Sad

The way Schumi dominated Monaco that year (70 seconds) really goes to show just how incredibly talented he was in his prime. So many great races and dem cigarette-sponsored liveries...

I thought Murray Walker was going to need an incontinence pad, he sounded so happy when Damon Hill took over the Hungarian Grand Prix. Laughing

**clacksman** Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:32 am

HWKII wrote:'Dat old Hockenheim circuit...

I was hoping there was still enough of it left that it could be put in to iRacing, but unfortunately it looks like (from the Google Maps satellite view) it was torn up.

Yeah the forest bit was planted basically immediately after the Tilking.

**HWKII** Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:56 am

clacksman wrote:...after the Tilking.

Monster.

**Forgetful** Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:54 pm

Way to go William, now I'm torrenting 17 seasons of Forumla 1 races. 1984 is done already, we'll see what else actually comes through complete.

**HWKII** Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:07 pm

Forgetful wrote:Way to go William, now I'm torrenting 17 seasons of Forumla 1 races. 1984 is done already, we'll see what else actually comes through complete.

I demand that you PM me links to these, because I need 1984 F1 in my life... What a Face

**Forgetful** Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:58 pm

http://kat.ph/search/f1%20full%20season/

**HWKII** Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:05 pm

Unrelated topic: clacksman, was Jacques Villeneuve ever great? He won the WDC in 1997 but with that season now fresh in my mind, I can't think of a single race where I went "Damn, that guy is really good!". Hill, Schumacher, Herbert, Trulli, Barichello (Yes, shut up, he was good) and some others shows flashes of brilliance. Jacques just seemed to do precisely what the car was capable of when it wasn't broken. I never sat up and went "Damn Jacques, ... damn". Possibly one of the least exciting WDCs winners I can think of.

People not clacksman can answer too... Laughing

**Forgetful** Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:37 pm

Because Williams, from what I remember.

**Forgetful** Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:21 pm

Forgetful wrote:http://kat.ph/search/f1%20full%20season/

Well, some of the broadcasts are English. Some are not. Japanese, Portugese and German race calls in the mix...

**HWKII** Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:23 pm

Forgetful wrote:
Forgetful wrote:http://kat.ph/search/f1%20full%20season/

Well, some of the broadcasts are English. Some are not. Japanese, Portugese and German race calls in the mix...

That's ok, I am looking forward to some Murray Walker and James Hunt, but pre-Brundle I can't say I'm too bothered.

**Forgetful** Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:32 pm

lol, skipping through the videos to see what language they were I jumped straight to the Monaco red flag moment where Prost stops and Senna flies by.

**HWKII** Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:46 pm

Forgetful wrote:lol, skipping through the videos to see what language they were I jumped straight to the Monaco red flag moment where Prost stops and Senna flies by.

Downloading 1994... Sad

Also, I had somehow missed the European Grand Prix, where Schumacher Frentzen and Villeneuve all qualified with exactly the same time to the thousandth.

I mean, I know how it ends, but I am on the edge of my seat waiting to find out how it ends that way. Schumacher dominated the start and then Villeneuve got passed by Frentzen like a punk... Laughing

**Forgetful** Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:15 pm

Despite the Portugese commentary, this opening round of the 84 season is pretty sweet.

It's not only the debut of Senna at Toleman, but also the aforementioned Martin Brundle in the Tyrell, alongside Bellof in his second year.

The cars aren't the prettiest things. The huge wing endplates and low res video make it look like formula pick-up truck racing sometimes. Is that a hot tub on the back of the Ferrari?

The sounds... omg the sounds are amazing! 6s and 8s just screaming and popping and gargling.

This is the first season they banned refueling and limited the fuel capacity. It's amazing the see them pit and change all 4 tires in 30 seconds. Laughing

Some sweet skins. Dat Parmalat Brahbam and Benetton Alfa Romeo.

Up next, South Africa... in German. Rolling Eyes

**Forgetful** Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:44 pm

Must have seen a pit stop for repairs, they've got them down to 6.9 seconds for 4 tires! Smile

**clacksman** Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:26 am

HWKII wrote:Unrelated topic: clacksman, was Jacques Villeneuve ever great? He won the WDC in 1997 but with that season now fresh in my mind, I can't think of a single race where I went "Damn, that guy is really good!". Hill, Schumacher, Herbert, Trulli, Barichello (Yes, shut up, he was good) and some others shows flashes of brilliance. Jacques just seemed to do precisely what the car was capable of when it wasn't broken. I never sat up and went "Damn Jacques, ... damn". Possibly one of the least exciting WDCs winners I can think of.

People not clacksman can answer too...

I think he could have been great. He damn near beat World Champ Hill in his rookie season (in the same car), then Hill said 'nuts to this' leaving Jacques to win in the evolved car the following year (which he did despite the biggest ever Schumi chop) and his sudden falling off the map was because Williams did a bad design when the cars got narrowed (wasn't just the Winfield livery slowing it down) and subsequently being involved in the BAR boondoggle (poor management - both personal and team - abounded) and that was effectively that. Pre-F1 he won the Indy 500 from two laps down (this pre-split too) and showed at least as many flashes of brilliance as during F1. Doing precisely what the car allowed was learned in CART (twas the several chassis/engine/tires era that was even beginning to threaten F1 in general). He can still hustle a Nationwide NASCAB pretty well on the road courses (not bad for being nearly 50) but I don't think you can look back and say "great career" with a straight face.

**HWKII** Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:29 am

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/04/28/f1-fanatic-roundup-284-2/

Woo, got another COTD published at F1 Fanatic. I'm just a grumpy old man I guess... Laughing

**Forgetful** Sun May 26, 2013 2:10 pm

DC called the tire-managing-drive-to-a-lap-time situation 'rubbish'. clap

The SLS stole the show. Dat hussle. They need a one-make pro series of SLS' to serve as a support series for F1. Problem is it would be much better racing than the big show.

Perez is a tool.

I really think that Senna 'no longer going for a gap' quote is an overused cliche that jerks use to justify boneheaded divebomb moves. You know what else also make you 'no longer a racing driver'... being wrecked out and/or penalized/disqualified for unsportsmanlike driving.

**timneyb** Sun May 26, 2013 4:18 pm

Forgetful wrote:

I really think that Senna 'no longer going for a gap' quote is an overused cliche that jerks use to justify boneheaded divebomb moves. You know what else also make you 'no longer a racing driver'... being wrecked out and/or penalized/disqualified for unsportsmanlike driving.

I also wish that the punishment to your a-hole move resulted in a much worse penalty than what your victim received by having their race destroyed (parking his car barely on the inside tire, relying on the other guy even noticing your tiny overlap, then blaming him for not giving you room. GRR).

You take out 6th, you deduct 3rd place points.

You take out lead. You sit out two races.

I think the worst is getting a mere drive through for destroying another's car (Chilton from the shouldn't-even-be-on-the-same-track/when-did-F1-become-multiclass squad).

**HWKII** Sun May 26, 2013 6:11 pm

Forgetful wrote:I really think that Senna 'no longer going for a gap' quote is an overused cliche that jerks use to justify boneheaded divebomb moves. You know what else also make you 'no longer a racing driver'... being wrecked out and/or penalized/disqualified for unsportsmanlike driving.

This quote is my #1 pet peeve.

**Forgetful** Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:37 am

Both NBC and TSN have the French Open scheduled to be on up until the GP, according to my cable box.

I hate tennis because tennis never finishes on time. Rolling Eyes

**clacksman** Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:39 pm

This evenings' internets contain much rage/nonsense about tires. Does that mean I should download the Silverstone race?

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